Greed and Code of Honor

[Captain-Captain]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

The key phrase was that Honor was "essentially another type of Code of Honor". Note that that phrase is no longer used in the description in 4E. The relationship between the two was otherwise the same, then as now: CoH was assumed to be a personal conviction, whereas Honesty was a compulsion which could be avoided by a Will roll. As I said, Honesty can be written up as a CoH. In that case, it should no longer carry so much weight when it comes to countering the impulse of Greed.

You may have notice: I SPECIFICALLY DID NOTE THIS in the very first sentence of my post.

In likening, not contrasting the two the way 3rd edition specifically did, the text establlished that Honesty was NOT a compulsion but a choice to live by what the law says etc. Just as a person whose code personally chooses to say keep his word, see to the safety and welfare of his companions and live up to the ideals of the Corps etc.

[Kromm]

A person could be "honest" by his own standards, which allow some level of discrimination. That's a particular Code of Honor. He could instead be compulsively, unswervingly law-abiding . . . which is how Honesty actually works in every edition of GURPS. By calling Honesty a special case of Code of Honor, earlier editions obscured this distinction. Moreover, the special rolls required for Honesty made it clear that it and Code of Honor weren't the same thing.

In 4e, we wanted the two traits to be distinct, in purpose and in function. Most honest people would have a Code of Honor, and be able to think through their actions when necessary. Honesty exists for fanatically "good" people who might give in despite logic.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Kromm

A person could be "honest" by his own standards, which allow some level of discrimination. That's a particular Code of Honor. He could instead be compulsively, unswervingly law-abiding . . . which is how Honesty actually works in every edition of GURPS. By calling Honesty a special case of Code of Honor, earlier editions obscured this distinction. Moreover, the special rolls required for Honesty made it clear that it and Code of Honor weren't the same thing.

In 4e, we wanted the two traits to be distinct, in purpose and in function. Most honest people would have a Code of Honor, and be able to think through their actions when necessary. Honesty exists for fanatically "good" people who might give in despite logic.

This Again Brings my orgina question Then How to Mo0del Hosnety law abidy trait with the delution that others will do so? As you just said "CoH: Will not Brake the law" is not on that level,

[Kromm]

Try:

Code of Honor (Won't break the law) [-5]
Delusion (Most people have my Code of Honor) [-5]

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Try:

Code of Honor (Won't break the law) [-5]
Delusion (Most people have my Code of Honor) [-5]

But Would or would that CoH Work like Honesty in the description of Greed?

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

But Would or would that CoH Work like Honesty in the description of Greed?

It wouldn't. Greed says Honesty because it means Honesty. Honesty is so much more restrictive than a CoH that it needs some up side to make the point cost fair. A reaction bonus and bonus to resist Greed are the up side.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Kromm

It wouldn't. Greed says Honesty because it means Honesty. Honesty is so much more restrictive than a CoH that it needs some up side to make the point cost fair. A reaction bonus and bonus to resist Greed are the up side.

So in other ward som how the Delution Help you resit Stealling?

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

So in other ward som how the Delution Help you resit Stealling?

It doesn't. If you want that, take Honesty. If you want that and don't want Honesty, tough bananas.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Kromm

It doesn't. If you want that, take Honesty. If you want that and don't want Honesty, tough bananas.

No I want to build a Chacter like what Chee plays on Nash Bridges. Some who Swarn to uphold the law, Will not break it, but on his off time, is involked and any "finacial adventure" that he comes cross to make a quick buck on top of his copy Sallary. The person is Succible to making poor destions when it looks like he can make a buck, But is not the time to break the law to do it.

These mean the OLNY part of the greed honstity combo that does not fit this person is the Delution

[Kromm]

Sounds like a quirk: "I'm the only one allowed to break the law. Everyone else is a scumbag, and I'll arrest them for spitting."