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Old 12-24-2010, 07:03 AM   #1
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So who actually "owns" IN? I assume it's still Croc, though he doesn't produce the game anymore AFAIK. How much longer does SJGames have licensing rights?
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Old 12-24-2010, 07:18 AM   #2
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Archangel Beth is probably the best person to answer this, but my understanding is that SJG has the rights to the American version more or less in perpetuity. (Or as long as the copyright lasts, anyway.) The situation might have been different if it had been a straight-up translation, but my understanding is that there are significant differences between the French MV/INS and the American IN, to the point where they're more or less two different games that share some names and imagery.

(I asked something like this about a year or two ago, since I was concerned that the slow pace of new supplements was due to a license expiring. I was very relieved by the answer I got then.)
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Old 12-25-2010, 07:37 PM   #3
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Unless I've hopped timelines (it's been known to happen!), Rocket Man is correct -- the license for the adaptive work, In Nomine, isn't expiring anytime soon. I believe that we do not have a license for a direct translation of anything else that Croc made for INS/MV, so we couldn't pull over the various adventures and such for it -- but they don't really fit "IN/SJG" very well, most times, anyway.

Any particular reason, or just curious? O:>
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Old 12-26-2010, 08:39 AM   #4
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Blue-sky idea, and I probably can't afford to do it anyway (but it never hurts to ask...) Does SJGames have the right to award sublicenses for IN products?

Yes, I know there are extremely few licensed works for SJGames products, but successfully sublicensing the line could speed up release of the Superiors books - if quality-control can be kept in place. (That's the part I'm most worried about, after the cost of the sublicense itself.)
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Old 12-26-2010, 11:16 AM   #5
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I don't know if there's any sub-licensing allowed. I am strongly suspicious that there is not. Or else I might be inclined to be asking some questions about that m'self. *grin*
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Old 12-27-2010, 10:30 AM   #6
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Mostly idle curiosity unless I win the lottery. I merely thought it might be fun, since Asmodee isn't publishing the original anymore, to see a supplement using some of its stuff.

Also, I'm interested in seeing Emily Dresner's Fate adaptation expanded.
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Old 12-28-2010, 08:30 AM   #7
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Ahhh. We really can't snaffle any of Asmodee's stuff, far as I know. That's theirs.

Doing official Fate adaptations might require getting permissions from the Fate developers -- I did a quick look and didn't find whether it's OGL or not. (And then there'd be whether Em's even interested in doing the work.)
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:30 AM   #8
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Ahhh. We really can't snaffle any of Asmodee's stuff, far as I know. That's theirs.

Doing official Fate adaptations might require getting permissions from the Fate developers -- I did a quick look and didn't find whether it's OGL or not. (And then there'd be whether Em's even interested in doing the work.)
Fate 2.0 is OGL " Fate is available under the Open Gaming License!" taken from here: http://www.faterpg.com/dl/.

I don't know about Fate 3, the chaps at Evil Hat are writing it as part of their post Dresden Files RPG schedule.

Not that I'm, you know, encourage the creation of a Fate version of In Nomine.... <Still need to get my head around In Nomi-Way conversion>

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Old 12-28-2010, 01:16 PM   #9
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Fate 3rd ed (The one in The Dresden Files RPG) is OGL, and so are the derivatives (Legends of Anglerre, Strands of Fate, etc etc). Of course, some parts are Product Identity.
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:19 PM   #10
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Far be it from me to discourage anything that encourages people to buy the existing materials. O;> (I would, of course, be a bit unhappy at something that discouraged people to buy the existing materials!)

Edit: I do note, this is "within reason" -- no matter how many sales certain things might generate, if if takes extreme liberties with copyright (the right of the IP owner to control how things are copied and distributed), it should be passed by SJ first. Of course, if it was obviously going to generate lots of sales, I suspect he'd be interested. *grin*
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