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Old 09-16-2010, 09:08 PM   #1
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Default Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

In Gurps Fantasy, it says on page 60:

"A shaman capable of out-of-body travel (see Insubstantiality, p. 128) may be able to assume an animal form in his astral body. Buy Shapeshifting with
Only When Insubstantial (p. 131)"

After reading this (and the texts referred to) it is my understanding that the shaman starts with a human, substantial form (step 1); then he becomes insubstantial while remaining human (step 2); and finally he takes on an animal insubstantial form (step 3).

Now I'd like to take out the middle step. In other words, his human form should always be substantial.

Can anyone tell me to reach this effect?

As extra info/consideration, I'd also like to add the Projection limitation (GURPS Powers 44) to the package. The final result I'm aiming for is that the shaman's human, substantial form stays behind unconsciously while his animal, insubstantial form travels around.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:16 PM   #2
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

I would go:

Alternate Form ("Spirit Animal") (Projected Form, -50%), and have the Spirit Animal Form be insubstantial as part of the Spirit meta-trait.

Projected Form is on Powers, page 75.
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:42 PM   #3
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

There isn't a modifier along the lines of something like, "Only and always when insubstantial" is there? It shouldn't be hard to make in any case. That's my guess at it. The question in my mind is if you should be modifying both shapeshifting and projection, or only shapshifting.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:21 PM   #4
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

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There isn't a modifier along the lines of something like, "Only and always when insubstantial" is there?
Well, there's Link +10%.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:26 PM   #5
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

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I would go:

Alternate Form ("Spirit Animal") (Projected Form, -50%), and have the Spirit Animal Form be insubstantial as part of the Spirit meta-trait.

Projected Form is on Powers, page 75.
This does the job perfectly. The rest is academic.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:44 AM   #6
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

That's what I will go with - thanks for the help!
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:47 AM   #7
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Default Re: Shapeshifting / Projection / Out of body travel

One major difference here is what happens if your body or projection is killed while insubstantially projecting.

Shapeshitfting Projection into insubstantial : both body and mind die

Insubstantial Projection + Shapeshifting : if projection dies, body can persist as vegetable. If body dies, you might survive as an astral entity if you make a nearly impossible will roll.

Another aspect is Shape shifting: Projection is for Alternate Form only so you would be limited to one animal and would need to buy Shapeshifting multiple times for different forms.

Conversely, Insubstantial Projection + Shapeshifting (in sub only) with Morph instead of Alternate Form would allow you to take multiple animal forms as a projection.

I think this might be the key to how Ectoplasmic Projection: Inhabited Ectoplasm works on 3e Hellboy 135 as it says "a spirit inhabiting ectoplasm can shape it as it sees fit", which seems in line with pg 143's "Multiple Forms" note under Manifestation"

Only mod needed is "requires skill roll" for the shapeshifting skill.
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