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Old 11-17-2012, 03:52 PM   #1
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Default Limit on steeds and ships

Just a quick check since I'm still a little confused about the wording on having either of these cards in play. All of the rules say that no player can have more than one, but does this strictly mean having in play or just in use? Can I put another steed in play sideways while I'm already riding one?
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:09 PM   #2
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Strictly in play.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:20 PM   #3
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Note that ships and steeds are Big. This serves two functions.
They are too big to play sideways, as the hooks on your belt don't attach properly.
They are too big to be surreptitiously stolen by a Thief, and thus no attempt to steal one can be made. Obviously, cards which allow their re-distribution work regardless of size.

They carry themselves when normally deployed, so they don't count against your character's limit on 'big' items ( normally one ), but they are big for all other purposes, unless modified by a 'cheat' card or 'shrinking powder'.

Or am I wrong in some way in that?
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:57 PM   #4
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They are too big to play sideways, as the hooks on your belt don't attach properly.
Being Big has no bearing to if an item can be turned sideways. Big items, including ships, can be carried but not used (turned sideways), you just can't carry another ship if you already have one (under normal circumstances).
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:33 AM   #5
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Note that ships and steeds are Big. This serves two functions.
They are too big to play sideways, as the hooks on your belt don't attach properly.
This is incorrect. You can play a Big Item sideways, you just can't do this with additional Ships or Steeds because you're only allowed to have one of each in play, by rule.


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They are too big to be surreptitiously stolen by a Thief, and thus no attempt to steal one can be made. Obviously, cards which allow their re-distribution work regardless of size.
This is true, but I'm not sure of the relevance to the question at hand.

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They carry themselves when normally deployed, so they don't count against your character's limit on 'big' items ( normally one ), but they are big for all other purposes, unless modified by a 'cheat' card or 'shrinking powder'.
Cheat! doesn't change the Item's inherent nature, just changes whether you can use it or not, so a Ship or Steed would still be Big if it had Cheat! played on it, but you could play a second (or third or more) Ship or Steed with a Cheat! card because of that card's rules.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:44 PM   #6
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Have we always been able to put Big things on our belt, or is that a fairly new thing?

I meant to indicate that Cheat! could ~overcome~ Bigness in that player's favor. Yes, a Big thing is still Big.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:29 PM   #7
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A Big Item could always be carried sideways as long as it is the only Big Item you have on the table. A Cheat! card has always allowed you to ignore that restriction.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:13 PM   #8
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Have we always been able to put Big things on our belt, or is that a fairly new thing?

I meant to indicate that Cheat! could ~overcome~ Bigness in that player's favor. Yes, a Big thing is still Big.
To be clear: There is no belt. The game defines no such thing, so I can't and won't rule on it. Regardless: All Items in play are carried, some are used. Unused Items are turned sideways. It doesn't matter if the Item is Big or not, if you are not using it, it gets turned sideways. The rule about Big Items regards carrying Big Items, not using them, so you can only have one in play, not one in use, one turned sideways, which might allow people to assume that no Big Items can be turned sideways, but that would be an incorrect assumption.
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