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Old 03-03-2014, 05:27 PM   #3
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Default Re: Can angels serve Princes, or demons serve Archangels?

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Originally Posted by Bayesmeant View Post
Obviously they may be used as tools, but can they be straight-up Servitors?
With a Heart? I don't think that would be possible. I'm a bit too brain-dead at the moment to go looking for explicit quotes (might be in the FAQ...), but unless you are running a really gray campaign... Generally not.

(This came up in the SSO campaign, as part of the backstory, where it was attempted -- the result of binding a demon to an angelic Heart caused, essentially, the effects of a slow-motion attempt at redemption (because the Heart was a direct conduit between the purity of an angelic Word and the Self of a still-moderately-selfish demon), which was very painful and unpleasant for the demonic volunteer. On the plus side, they got some Heart-shard ingredients out of the experiment.

In parallel, having one's self/Heart be bound to a Selfish Word (of a Prince), for an angel, would probably result in a Fall pretty quickly. Or madness. Or possibly both.)

If your campaign views a Heart as only a locational beacon allowing someone to ascend to it, and a repository for dissonance conditions, then you can make different rulings, of course! (But you might then want to eliminate the 3 levels of Discord caused by destroying a Heart, as it would be less of a "wrench" to one's Self. Or you could call it a booby-trap that Superiors (especially Princes) stick in the Heart.)

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Can Jordi create a Heart for an Impudite or protect her from Dominic in any way?
Heart, see above. O:> Dominic? Well, it depends on how much effort Jordi is willing to expend in hiding the Impudite. Which is a GM-call. I would submit that canon Jordi would be more inclined to say that if the Impudite really wants to serve the Word of Animals, the Impudite needs to bare her throat to the Symphony and become a Mercurian again. Otherwise... she's just a demon with a hobby that may align with Jordi's interests, at best, and prey the rest of the time.

It's the whole "demons are Selfish" thing.

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Or alternatively, if Vapula creates a Seraph,
Canonically, he cannot. He only thinks he's a radiant being that has transcended mere angelicness.

VapuTech things that can create angels are certainly plot-devices, if you want one, but I'd suggest that they mesh better if there's a middle-stage -- say, some kind of weird demonling that was forced into a Force-configuration that is unstable and open to Symphonic influence. >_> (#mayhavedonethis #theyblowupsometimes)

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If not, can Vapula [...] protect him from the other Princes? Can he hide the Seraph's nature under enough "upgrades"?
Angels can go to Hell a bit more easily than demons go to Heaven, in that it's not going to directly start burning their Forces away. A sufficiently cowed, blackmailed, and/or Habbalite-resonated-into-an-effective-"Ethereal-Forces-What-Ethereal-Forces?" Seraph could be hidden away in Tartarus, probably.

Protected from other Princes? Well, the first defense is keeping it hidden. The second defense would be going, "MY experimental subject! Keep your mitts off!" and not allowing the Seraph to ever go anywhere that someone else (with a desire to possess the Seraph or kill it before Vapula gets some annoying idea) could overpower the Seraph's keepers.

Protective coloration? This is very much up to the GM, as to whether the angelic nature could be hidden in Hell. For More Plot Potential, I would have it be difficult and/or risky, but possible, with the degree of difficulty depending on the campaign tone.

In one game, it might be appropriate for angels to hide in Hell by assuming their vessel seemings and mostly keeping their mouths shut (remember, no lies in angelic! or in Helltongue, either, even if you know it...), or by bluffing with "You don't think I'm a very clean Shedite?" (the Kyriotate blinks its eyes winningly), or by having some minor sort of disguise (these stick-on tattoos are logically the best course of action for this mission).

In another game, the most cursory glance would reveal the divine nature of the angel, causing damned souls to kneel and beg for aid, clinging to the angel's wings, while demons yelped and ran and/or invoked their Prince(s) -- unless some powerful artifact were at work to conceal things. (And even then, the artifact might have a limited duration.)
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