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Ultraviolet · 08-23-2019, 03:34 AM

Ok, yet another TG question, although this time theoretical rather than from my Cliffhanger campaign.

Fighter A performs a takedown of some kind (a sweep, force posture change from a grapple etc) on Fighter B.

Fighter B already has a grapple on Fighter C. Fighter C doesn't do anything worthwhile in this example, instead of remaining standing.

As I read the rules, B loses his grip on C as he falls prone. Doesn't it matter how many CP B has on C?
A is indirectly performing a Break Free, on behalf of C, by taking B to the ground. But with total disregard of the CP of B's grapple on C. So a weak CP 1 grapple is as easy to break this way as a maxed out grapple of a stroing and trained fighter, say 16 CP?
Won't C ever be pulled down along B, if he is too weak to resist? Should B check for this, by performing a Force Posture Change on C? Naturally with penalties based on A's CP on B.

Or should there be performed some kind of Break Free roll to check if C and B separate. IMHO this should not be based just on C's ST, because A is doing the hauling.
Maybe C is allowed an automatic Break Free success, and rolls CP to reduce the grapple - the B's grapple is effectively reduced by the amount of CP A has on B? So if A has a better grapple on B than B has on C, C is guaranteed success. But if A only has a weak grip on B, then C has a problem.

08-23-2019, 03:34 AM	#1
Ultraviolet Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Århus, Denmark	[TG] A takes down B, who has grappled C - loses grip? Ok, yet another TG question, although this time theoretical rather than from my Cliffhanger campaign. Fighter A performs a takedown of some kind (a sweep, force posture change from a grapple etc) on Fighter B. Fighter B already has a grapple on Fighter C. Fighter C doesn't do anything worthwhile in this example, instead of remaining standing. As I read the rules, B loses his grip on C as he falls prone. Doesn't it matter how many CP B has on C? A is indirectly performing a Break Free, on behalf of C, by taking B to the ground. But with total disregard of the CP of B's grapple on C. So a weak CP 1 grapple is as easy to break this way as a maxed out grapple of a stroing and trained fighter, say 16 CP? Won't C ever be pulled down along B, if he is too weak to resist? Should B check for this, by performing a Force Posture Change on C? Naturally with penalties based on A's CP on B. Or should there be performed some kind of Break Free roll to check if C and B separate. IMHO this should not be based just on C's ST, because A is doing the hauling. Maybe C is allowed an automatic Break Free success, and rolls CP to reduce the grapple - the B's grapple is effectively reduced by the amount of CP A has on B? So if A has a better grapple on B than B has on C, C is guaranteed success. But if A only has a weak grip on B, then C has a problem. __________________ Playing GURPS since '90, is now fluent in 4th ed as well.