[JMason]

Originally Posted by Perfect Organism

If you want to make GURPS skill list a bit more user-friendly, I'd make two recommendations...

First, set the cost so that Skill at Attribute+1 is [x] and every level after that is also [x]. That way you can simplify it to 'every level of skill costs [x], add your skill level directly to the attribute'. The way that you buy skills in GURPS is the single biggest sticking point I have with new players. Nobody seems to grasp the system intuitively and even with the skill cost table right in front of them, I've still had players tell me they couldn't figure out how skills cost. I'd go with defining expanded skills as costing double what an average skill does.

Secondly, although it's a lot of work, you need to provide a skill list. There's no point saying that the existing list is too long and not providing an alternative list.

1) While I don't disagree, I'm not sure I want to throw out the existing skill cost progression. This system is not going to replace every skill, so it might be odd if I have to use two different skill progression charts. (yes, I sort of am, but only for the first level as a "buy-in"

2) I'm doing this now. first I am just going to collect the skills that require specializations that default to each other. This will not really shorten the skill list, but is a place to start and addresses one of my main complaints: sci-fi techies needing tons and tons of skills.

Originally Posted by malloyd

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Any explanation that contains the word "defaults" is likely compounding the problem you are looking to fix. Skill to skill defaults are one of GURPS little flaws really, a lot of complexity for not much gain, if you are still thinking in terms of them and just adjusting the numbers you aren't gaining much at best, and may very well be making the whole thing more complex than it started at.

I'd suggest either charging 1 point per additional specialty to roll at full skill for it (essentially treat the other specialization as a Skill Adaptation perk), or going with what would be the genuine intermediate for Wildcard skills - double the cost instead of triple it.

Edit: Another alternative might be to add 1 point *per skill level* to cover all the specialties, so the cost progression would be 2, 3, 5, 9, +5 per further level instead of 1 2 4 8 +4. In the limit this then has the same pricing as a narrow Talent, and narrow Talents seem like a good place to start looking for skills you can combine.

To your first point: This system is in some ways removing defaults and replacing them with Skill+'s that contain all the various skills. Sure the explanation involves them, but in-play they have been replaced.

On cost +1 per additional skill: Hm, this is interesting. The only issue is with skills that could have any number of specializations. For example in a space game you have Biology+, but there are hundreds of inhabited worlds!

On the cost +1 per level: I'm not sure I understand this. You have the cost at one higher than normal for the first 4 levels, but each level after that is one more added to it... did you mean for the progression to be 2, 4, 7, 12, then +5?

Originally Posted by ericthered

Seconded! Defaults are about simulationism, not game balance.

I ran a game where I offered something like this:

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This isn't that dissimilar than what I am doing. If I took the "buy up" price out of the skill and made it an advantage.

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

For skills with a lot of fiddly little specializations - such as Piloting, Guns, and Mechanic - I often permit players to take the core skill for "All Specialities" at one level higher; for example, Guns (All) is DX/A, while Mechanic (All) is IQ/H and Piloting (all) is DX/H. In essence, it reverse-engineers the optional specialties rule for skills that generally have mandatory specialties. This works best with skills that have specialties that have generous cross-defaults, particularly in cinematic games where a pilot can fly a helicopter, a starfighter, a Harrier, and a Tomcat with equal skill, and a mechanic can build or fix nearly anything the Mechanic skill could conceivably cover (but not Electronics Repair, which could also be covered with this rule).

Again, this is similar to what I am doing (and one of the ideas that I played with when coming up with Skill+). But this really just equates to turning all the skills defaulting from the core at -1 or the skill costing 4 extra points (if past the first few levels), depending on how you want to look at it. This seems a bit cheap to me.

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Thanks of the feedback so far. Many of these ideas are ones that I have played with, but I'm still not convinces that they do a better job at pricing this sort of meta-skill.

I may move the cost into an advantage. So far every skill I've looked at has most of the defaults at -4, so I'm tempted to just make the cost 8 points for all and leave it at that.

The "perk" idea appeals to me, but it may need a upper cap so the price can stay reasonable.