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Originally Posted by sir_pudding
"Ogre" is one of those fantasy creature names that is used for a lot of disparate things...
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The thread has "DF" in the title, how about you start there.
DF Ogres (as PCs) can buy IMH. Are they Immune to Body Control spells?
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Otherwise, yeah, I agree Doesn't Breathe grants immunity to choking, but otherwise choking isn't a Metabolic Hazard (in GURPS terms, obviously it is is in a literal sense).
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But yet you're willing to class an entire category of spells as Metabolic Hazards when only a few actually affect a creatures metabolism?
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Originally Posted by mlangsdorf
Body control spells are threats that only affect the living (unless otherwise specified)...
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Yes.
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...Immunity to Metabolic Hazards gives Immunity to threats that only affect living beings.
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No. False.
It gives immunity only to
Metabolic threats. It's right there in the name.
Fumble is a 'threat' that can only affect the living, however it is not a
Metabolic threat.
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You're the one who is adding "mundane metabolic hazards" in there. There's no distinction in the rules.
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Sure. I'll grant that.
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Resistant to Metabolic Hazards would of course give its bonus to the HT-based Resistance rolls for most Body Control spells. If you accept my argument that that Body Control spells are metabolic hazards, that's an obvious continuance of the argument.
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I do not. I reject it as it has no basis in the RAW.
However there are 8-10 specific Body Control spells I'd be willing to consider as Metabolic affecting, and thus would fall under "Metabolic Hazards". But if I did so then the "good" versions of those spells would also be affected by IMH.
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Since the Choke spell is a Body Control spell (and not an Air spell), I would guess that it works by preventing a living subject's lungs from working, and should be treated as a metabolic hazard.
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So... punching someone in the solar plexus is a Metabolic Hazard?
Is our hypothetical Ogre PC immune to stunning from hits to the vitals in the abdomen (a gut punch if you will)?
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Originally Posted by sir_pudding
Yeah that is a pretty straightforward ruling, body control spells are metabolic hazards simply because they are defined as being such.
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Where are they defined as Metabolic Hazards? I get defined as "only affects the living", but that is a horse of a different color...