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Old 04-25-2019, 12:54 PM   #45
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Default Re: [MH] Brazilian Secret Monster Hunters

Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
Please elaborate.

The CIA, for example, is largely an ossified, risk-averse and highly bureaucratic organization, much less able or willing to carry out covert operations that are potentially sensitive or controversial than the intelligence organizations of dozens of other countries. What is it that you believe that the CIA could do that no Brazilian official organization could do?

And I don't know what the FBI might do that Brazilian federal police cannot do. I know that Brazilian police kill people at roughly 5:1 compared to US police (ca 8:1 corrected for population), which argues that it would be a lot easier to hide extrajudicial executions of occultists and human-like monsters in these statistics, but, obviously, the FBI are involved in very few shootings compared to local police in the US. I don't know whether the Policia Federal has more or less firefights than local police in Brazil, but I strongly suspect that the same holds.
My opinion is probably heavly biased in my lost of faith in institutions here, and it was more about them don’t want to do something than them can’t do it.

Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
I expect that Brazilian monster hunters, who are technically members of military or police special forces aware of the supernatural, will usually tend to have a Military or Street lens of BJJ.

I want knives and machetes to be emphasized, due to the fact that it's usually better to decapitate monsters after you shoot them, just be to sure they're dead.

I've also seen photos of Brazilian Marines practicing sentry removal with a machete the length of an arm, which looked excessive, frankly.

Does anyone know something about Brazilian training, styles or preferences with bladed weapons?

Should I merely add Shortsword as an optional skill to the Military lens of BJJ or would there be a dedicated Brazilian style for using a machete?
We have the Peixera (that is the name of a Machete here). But I don’t know if the military force has some special training with it.

Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
Beyond the films Cidade de Deus and Tropa de Elite, the books they are based on and the sequels, what are good sources of inspiration or information on Rio's criminal underground and general Brazilian society, religion, folklore or occult legendry?
Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
Oh, this is really helping. I don't want to rely exclusively on Google Translate and what Spanish* I learnt 15-20 years ago for flavorful local terms.

Also, I'd really like any and all suggestions from anyone who knows more about Brazil than I (i.e. probably everyone who has so much as visited, not to mention all the Brazilians on these forums).

At the moment, the PCs are not headed for a visit to Brazil (at least not yet) and I merely foresee featuring NPCs from Brazil in an adventure set in several locales, perhaps to include Guyana, Venezuela and a number of Caribbean islands, but I still want those NPCs to feel Brazilian and be capable of revealing something of the occult scene in Brazil and the state of Brazilian monster hunters, occult intelligence and the relations between various groups, inside and outside Brazil, who are aware of the supernatural.

*Which, those few times I've spoken with anyone in Portugal, for example, got me a default well below Broken in Portuguese.

What specific shades of meaning does 'Demônios' connote that 'Diabo' does not?

To me, 'Devil' and 'Demon' sound like synonyms, except in contexts, like D&D, where each term has specifically been applied to a distinct in-game faction. In Brazilian Portuguese, do 'Demônio' and 'Diabo' refer to different types or classes of fiends or evil spirits?

I preferred the sound of 'Diabo', but if there are shades of meaning, I would like to know.

Well, Caçador is such an awesome title, I kind of want to use it.

But what would you (or any forumite who knows Vrazilian Portuguese) have Brazilian monster hunters call themselves, informally, speaking amonst themselves in the inner core of a special unit like BOPE and CORE or with members of other Brazilian tactical teams that they are aware of have similar duties, because they also know about the supernatural threat?

How does 'Comando do Santa Cruz' sound as the informal name used for a secret group inside ABIN of monster hunters who work closely with the occult intelligence of the Vatican?

Their real acronyms, titles and cover assignments would change regularly and many of them might be PSC contractors rather than officially employed by ABIN, but such secret groups usually pick up semi-official nicknames despite the security protocols (e.g. 'The Army of Northern Virginia' and 'the Activity' for the United States Army Centra Spike/Torn Victor/Grey Fox/MSA/ISA).

Or do you have a better suggestion for what they are called?

I was wondering whether to use a reference to the Southern Cross in the semi-official moniker.

What title would you expect case officers in an intelligence service to have?

Those are the guys and gals who recruit agents of foreign nationalities in order to collect sensitive information, i.e. case officers are real-world spies (because no one in the world has James Bond's job of bumbling about under his own name trying to collect intelligence by counting the people who try to kill him).

Case officers are the field officers of intelligence services, as opposed to analysts and support staff. They're not assassins or direct-action commandos, but rather specialists in actively collecting information through HUMINT, i.e. recruiting agents and setting up networks of them, handling the agents and tasking them with information requests, as well as arranging for the data to make its way to their superiors without exposing their agents.

In a professional setting in Brazil, i.e. among people who know enough about the intelligence world so that they'd feel stupid using inaccurate media terms like 'spies' and would make a distinction between a person who reported to a foreign intelligence officer (in English, such a person is an 'agent') and the professional intelligence officer himself, what term would be used to refer to someone who seemed to be working as a case officer for a foreign power?

Say, perhaps the Argentines, Americans, Venezuelans or someone else, but, in any event, someone trained by a national intelligence service in tradecraft and agent handling. What's a non-cringey Brazilian Portuguese term to use for someone like that?

Awesome, cool.
Originally Posted by Icelander View Post
That's interesting.

It also brings up another question. How likely are Brazilians who discover the existence of monsters and the supernatural to conceptualize it in explicitly Christian and Catholic terms? That is, how much do the Brazilian monster hunters feel that Satan himself has to do with the unnatural evils they combat?

I understand that the views of any reasonable subsection of a whole nation will never be homogenous and that individuals will differ enormously. All the same, in terms of sociology, demographic studies, political science, religious anthropology and various studies of polls and statistics, it's possible to discuss broad trends in views and attitudes within populations.

So, can someone more familiar with any of Brazil, South American cultures and Catholicism provide some thoughts on what the prevailing views among Brazilian monster hunters are likely to be?
I also have the impression that Diabo refers to Satan and demônio could refer to him or any other entity. But I’m not sure about it.
You can use Diabo if you prefer, it isn’t weird.

you could name them Caçadores do Mal. (hunters of evil)

Comando do Santa Cruz sounds good, but don’t have a “cool factor” in it. Also, Comando DO Santa Cruz sounds like Santa Cruz is a place, not the object holy cross. If your intent is to sound like the object you should use DA. Comando da Santa Cruz.

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