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Old 04-11-2020, 12:28 PM   #4
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Default Re: initiating HTH is an attack

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Originally Posted by larsdangly View Post
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If you can reach a target's hex without being engaged, you may enter as part of your movement. The 1d6 die roll to enter is still made, but in this situation the timing of the resolution and implications for your action segment are basically similar to the way jumping or other actions during movement work. I.e., if you succeed at entering, you still have your action for the turn (assuming you didn't move too many hexes).

If instead you want to enter someone's hex but are engaged by them during the movement phase, you must use the 'enter HTH' action during the action segment to do so, and that is the only action you get to perform during that turn. I.e., it is functionally a special sort of attack.
Yes, this is how we played it too. Reworded, in case it helps:

If you aren't engaged, and can reach the target's hex without becoming engaged, only using 1/2 MA, AND meet the other conditions to initiate HTH (q.v.), then you can attempt HTH during Movement, and you'd still get an action later in the turn.

If you're engaged, or become engaged during movement, then you can't enter HTH during movement, and can only do it as an action (again, if you meet the other conditions), and that would be your action.



However, there are contradictions in the wording in a couple of places:

ITL 103 very deliberately says that when you're engaged, you have to wait till your turn to attack comes. But the HTH rule itself (on ITL 116) suggests an engaged figure may shift onto a figure to attempt HTH, and if that were the only rule, would seem to mean it could be done during Movement if the figure were already engaged.

ITL 103 also says, "when its turn to attack comes, it moves onto the hex of any adjacent enemy, and attempts to hit with bare hands or (if it was ready) its dagger." which seems to imply they also get an attack if they succeed, although that seems like a break from how actions usually work, seems to contradict "Initiating HTH combat is considered an attack", and we took it to mean that it's just describing what's likely to happen in future turns.

Melee is much more clear on the distinction about when initiation happens based on engagement, however it also makes it sound like the initiator can also make an attack if they succeed... (except it also says initiating HTH is considered an attack):

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Originally Posted by basic Melee page 18
A disengaged figure picks option (b) to initiate HTH combat; he
moves onto the enemy’s hex during movement and attacks during
combat. An engaged figure picks option (o), stands still or shifts, and
enters an enemy hex and attacks during combat.
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