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Old 01-23-2012, 03:50 PM   #8
vitruvian
 
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Default Re: ATR/ETS Question

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Originally Posted by Refplace View Post
ETS is not a leveled trait so adding a lesser ability is figured into the cost. With ATR it would have to be one price for level 1 then a different price for each level after.
Also ETS is about your perception and ATR is about your action.
ETS in fact is superior perception wise to having ATR for its defined functions.
ETS is about actions, too, not just perceptions. You act first, and your active defenses get that boost, both features involving physical actions and reactions.

I'd say it would be a reasonable house rule to make ETS into a leveled trait at the same time that its perceptual effects were made a little less uber at the first level - something like letting it be 30 points per level (and +1 to Active Defenses, supremacy over any lower level for initiative purposes) after taking Combat Reflexes as the base. Then we could judge whether it should be included under ATR on a per level basis, or just paired with it in the vast majority of cases.

If lumped under it, you'd be paying 100 points (after the initial 15 points for CR, unless you decided to be really nice and include that in the first level too) for each a) extra Maneuver, b) +1 to Active Defenses, and c) level of 'initiative supremacy' - you act before anybody with a lower level. These are all things that go together conceptually, although it could be argued that 100 points is too cheap for all of it, or that it's missing some things - like the ability to do speed-based Deceptive Attacks or ignore some level of speed penalties for fast-moving targets. Lump those in, too, and I think a fair price for the entire package would be around 150 points per level, either parsing it out into parts or treating it as a +50% enhancement on regular ATR. Or maybe you'd decide 100 points per level is enough... GM's choice.

So, it would go:

Combat Reflexes (barely faster than normal)
Enhanced Time Sense 1 (perception and reactions only, no maneuver)/Altered Time Rate (all that plus maneuver) 1
ETS 2/ATR 2
ETS 3/ATR 3

and so on. Or maybe you decide that once you'd gone into ATR territory, they couldn't really be separated out any longer.

Last edited by vitruvian; 01-23-2012 at 03:55 PM.
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