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Old 05-30-2006, 02:49 PM   #9
Anthony
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Berkeley, CA
Default Re: What is a good challenge?

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Originally Posted by Bookman
I respectfully disagree.

Q: How many Kobolds can a naked 20th level fighter with an ordinary sword defeat?
A: Lots. Lots and lots and lots.
Assuming kobolds with slings (1d4) and that the 20th level fighter has a total AC of 12 and 150 hit points, the kobolds need to hit him about 60 times. We'll give him Expertise as well, so his effective AC is 17. A level 1 kobold warrior has an attack bonus of +3 with a sling, and thus needs 14+ to hit (35%) for an average of .875 damage/rd/kobold.

We will put him up against 30 kobolds. We will assume they are reasonably intelligent, and thus somewhat dispersed, so the fighter only kills two per round. We will give the fighter first attack.

Before dying, the kobolds get 28+26+24+22+20+18+16+14+12+10+8+6+4+2 attacks, or 182 attacks, for a total of, on average, 159 damage.

If you prefer melee attackers, kobolds are obviously inferior, let's go with humans. Humans Warrior-1s with long spears do 1d8+1 with an attack bonus of, likely, +3 (assume attack focus). Their ideal dispersal results in 16 of them being able to attack at once, and the fighters gets to kill 3. If that happens, of course, the fighter is flanked, and he's taking 40+ damage per round.

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I suppose that depends on what you consider a "high point value".
For a 20th level fighter? 500-1000.
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