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Old 11-11-2016, 02:31 PM   #1
kflux
 
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Default Extra Attack (Multi-Strike), Feints, Setup Attacks, Rapid Strike

This post is an attempt to verify that my understanding of the rules relating to the combat possibilities listed in the post subject is correct.

Background for my questions:
A) On B365, it says, “A Feint is good for one second! But if you Feint and then make an All-Out Attack (Double), the feint applies to both attacks.”

B) In Douglas Cole’s description of Setup Attacks (PM3-52 page 23), he writes, “The defensive penalties imparted by a Setup Attack have an expiration date: the next attack launched by the aggressor… or at the end of the attacker’s following turn – whichever comes first”.

C) From Gurps FAQ 3.4.2.19: “If attacks are made during the same turn following a Feint, the Feint applies only to those attacks. Otherwise, the Feint applies to attacks made on the following turn.”

Question 1
As per A), is it correct to conclude that if you Feint on one turn and then Rapid Strike on the next turn, the penalty to the opponent’s defense applies for BOTH Rapid Strike attacks (or all Rapid Strike attacks if Extreme Rapid Strike is allowed)?

Question 2
This one is about extending the logic from A) to B) (i.e., from Feints to Setup Attacks). Is it correct to conclude that if you Setup Attack on one turn (assume the opponent is hit or defends by 0) and then Rapid Strike on the next turn, the penalty to the opponent’s defense applies for BOTH Rapid Strike attacks (not just the first of the two)?

Questions 3A & 3B
If 2 is yes, then these probably are also: Is it correct to conclude that if you have Extra Attack 1 (Multi-Strike), and you Setup Attack with your first attack (assume the opponent is hit or defends by 0), following that up with a Rapid Strike using the same melee weapon, then the penalty to the opponent’s defense applies for BOTH Rapid Strike attacks (not just the first of the two)? Is it correct, as per logic of C), to further conclude that this “uses up” the benefits of the setup attack during this turn, and that the penalty to defense from the setup attack does NOT transfer to the next turn if it has already been applied to the rapid strike attacks?

Question 4
This one is about combining Feints and Setup Attacks. Assume Extra Attack 1 (Multi-Strike), the first attack substitutes a successful Feint, and the second attack is a Rapid Strike. Furthermore, both Rapid Strike attacks will be Setup Attacks. Does the penalty to the opponent’s defense due to the Feint apply to BOTH of the Setup Attacks that make up the Rapid Strike?

Question 5
Perhaps this is a touch contrived, but it’s about clarifying the interactions. Assume Extreme Rapid Strike for 3 attacks. First attack is a Setup Attack (assume the opponent is hit or defends by 0). Second attack is a successful Feint substitution. Does the penalty to the opponent’s defense against the third attack include the stacked penalties from both the Setup Attack and the Feint? Note that as per B365 the Feint maneuver is not an attack (so it should not “use up” the Setup Attack penalty earned in the first of the 3 attacks), and that this scenario is all within the same turn. Thus this scenario differs from Douglas Cole’s original comment regarding the default stance regarding stacking, Feints, and Setup Attacks, which was: ”Neither Feints or Setup Attacks usually stack from turn to turn”.

Thanks!
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