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Originally Posted by Icelander
Note that in the real world, a lot of the time sentry removal with fancy ninja techniques is too hard to even attempt. Shooting people, with suppressed or even not suppressed people, tends to be the solution of choice.
Note that when the details of special operations have become public, it's extremely rare that anyone has silently disposed of any guards before infiltrating a building, compound or area. Even Navy SEALS or Delta Force operators just shoot the guards outside before they move closer. In reality, failure is usually too likely and the consequences too severe to risk it.
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Makes me wonder how much the stories about sneaky Gurkha are hype, BTW. (Though I do realise that the frequency of sneaky disposals is usually exaggerated, what I'm wondering is whether all of it is lies, or merely a distortion of frequencies.)
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Originally Posted by Icelander
Also note that carrying a suppressed bolt-action rifle with subsonic ammunition and top-of-the-line suppressor is not exactly crude. It's Bond-movie levels of gadgetry, a bulky and heavy special weapon carried only to meet a single esoteric tactical requirement.
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1-2 pounds doesn't sound like much if it can repeatedly prevent one's position from being discovered - in fact, that sounds like an awesome feature for a marksman/sniper.
I didn't think of subsonic ammo, as
that would indeed be very specialised, bondish.
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Originally Posted by johndallman
OK, that works for a -4 suppressor, -1 for bolt action and -2 for subsonic rifle ammo, for a total of -7.
But the historical suppressors we have written up aren't as good as that. The Welrod in Tactical Shooting is -3, including the -1 for manual action, and its .32 ACP round seems to be already subsonic. And that's supposed to have been the best available for decades. There isn't anything as good as the rules allow in Tactical Shooting AFAICS.
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Dirty-tech handmade suppressors seem to be reasonably able to reach the -3 level (e.g. VKT-Lahti Pstkiv/39's improvised drum suppressor) and go all the way up.
Ruger Standard MK1's integral suppressor is a -4 after the slidelock mod.
Barrett M82A1's is -4, and it's semi-auto (so no bolt-action modifier!); of course, I'm pointing at the suppressor's power, not at the rifle, in this example.
(Note: I'm talking about Baffle suppressors; I'm finding Wipers extremely expensive
per shot suppressed and quickly-consumable for the sorts of characters I would like to play.)