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Originally Posted by jtsmith1287
OK, i need to establish a baseline real quick because I think I'm now more confused than I was to begin with.
If you're wielding 2 weapons but with 0 advantages you only get to use one of them a turn, correct? If you choose all-out attack double, does this force you to use the offhand weapon, or can you make it with your main hand, granted it's balanced? So with Extra Attack 1, does this again force you to use a hand that has not attacked yet, or can it be done with that same hand?
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Leave out Extra Attack for the moment.
As a standard, you get one maneuver per turn.
If you choose the Attack maneuver, you get to make one attack with one ready weapon.
- A Rapid Strike allows you, in place of that one attack, to make
two attacks with a ready weapon that doesn't become unready when used, at
-6 to each attack (
Martial Arts allows three or more attacks and varying penalties). It has no other effect, on your defenses or otherwise.
- A Dual-Weapon Attack is a special type of Rapid Strike at only
-4 to each attack, but the attacks must be made with two different ready weapons (although this does mean they can become unready when used).
With me so far?
All of that is with the standard Attack maneuver. If you make the All-Out Attack (Double) maneuver, you can make
two attacks with a ready weapon that doesn't become unready when used, or with two separate weapons and it doesn't matter if they become unready, at
no penalty. But you lose your defenses.
- But when making an All-Out Attack (Double), you can then turn
one of those attacks into a Rapid Strike or Dual-Weapon Attack, so you get one attack at full skill, and then two attacks at -4 or -6; with the caveat, again, that you can only attack more than once with a weapon that doesn't become unready when used, so if you were only using unweildy weapons you would need three hands (if using a weapon that doesn't become unready and making a Rapid Strike,
all three attacks can be with the same weapon).
- But, crucially, you can't turn
both attacks into Rapid Strikes and Dual-Weapon Attacks; a mundane character with no special advantages can have three attacks by totally committing and taking stiff penalties, but no more (or not usually).
Extra Attack then adds one attack per level, at full skill, to
any maneuver that allows at least one attacks. The Extra Attack is taken at the end of your maneuver, and as with All-Out Attack one one attack (this one or any other) can be Rapid Striked or DWA'd. It is a single attack at full skill, and it must be taken with a weapon that hasn't been used at unless you take the Multistrike enhancement, in which case you can use any weapon that's still ready. So:
- If you take Attack and choose not to use either the Rapid Strike or DWA options, Extra Attack 1 gives you two attacks at full skill.
- If you take Attack and take a Rapid Strike, Extra Attack gives you one attack at full skill (your Extra Attack) and two attacks at -6.
- If you take All-Out Attack (Double) and turn one of the attacks into a Rapid Strike, Extra Attack gives you two attacks at full skill (the second All-Out Attack and the Extra Attack) and two attacks at -6 (the first All-Out Attack, Rapid Striked).
Finally, Altered Time Rate allows you to take an additional
maneuver. So you can carry out two Attack maneuvers, two All-Out Attack (Double) maneuvers, or one of each, taking any or all the options above for
each maneuver. In that case, Extra Attack applies to
each maneuver.
In all cases, these attacks can be carried out with a weapon that's been used before that maneuver (the only absolute exceptions are that DWA always requires two weapons, and Extra Attack requires you to use a weapon that's not been used that maneuver, unless it's taken with the Multistrike enhancement), as long as it's not been rendered unready by an attack earlier that turn. Using a knife or fist, every single attack could be with the same weapon!