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Originally Posted by ericthered
Its enough that I often wince when I see characters that basically don't use tools but technically can, because they're paying 50 or more points for that privilege and not using it (see most dragon templates).
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Dragons never qualify for the -50 points version (No Manipulators) since they have legs and (for western dragons) wings. Having any limbs at all makes taking this level illegal.
Whether they should have the -30 points version (No Fine Manipulators) would be a settings choice depending on how the GM/author views their dragon's dexterity with paws/claws and/or mouth. While I'd usually lean towards giving it to them I can see arguments for not doing so, especially for smaller intelligent dragons.