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Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth
Going to 3e sources is worse than useless here.
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The TLs didn't change
that much (at least until you hit TL8) and until we get formal updates (like what is happening with Steampunk) it is in many cases are largest sample set we have to work with.
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Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth
EDIT: Although, admittedly, what we have on WWII in GURPS High Tech is...interestingly conflicted. For instance, the MG151/20 is identified as TL7. The fighter whose presence in the book is presumably why the MG151/20 was listed? TL6. Does a TL6 vehicle with TL7 components make sense? Did different authors work on those stats and lack a rigorous common reference frame for the TL boundary?
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Actually a TL6 vehicle with TL7 components makes perfect sense. Otherwise you could say a Model-T was TL7 because you custom installed a transistor radio into it.
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Originally Posted by Rupert
The Fw 190 first flew before 1940. The MG151 HMG and later cannon post-date the 1940 boundary (and were not the first weapon fit for Fw 190s), so it makes sense. The P-51 was designed and first flew in 1940, so it's not so clear why it'd be TL6 (and of course most versions used an old TL6 gun).
That said, I'm not sure why the guns for the Pz.IV and M4 are TL6, as they are both designs that are post-1940, and were quite modern when they appeared.
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IMHO part of the problem is some authors view TLs as a bright line and unless the Basic Set says something otherwise the look at the year and go 'oh it is after year x therefor it much be TLy'.
I should point out Tthe Panzer IV came out in
1939 and while the M4 Sherman came out in 1942 there is generally a long delay between design and production. The B29 for instance started out on the design board in 1938 with the Model 334 being effectively a B-17 with some modifications (like pressurization and longer-range)
Also the Panzer IV had many variants of which High-Tech give the very late M4A1(76)W and so is not entirely representative of the whole series.