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Originally Posted by Shostak
Fighting with a cestus is, by defininition, fighting armed, which places it outside the boundaries of UC (bare hands). Use Weapon Expertise to get bonuses.
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This is true, isn't it?
And I'm sure there's an argument to make that Gargoyles are not 'unarmed', in fact doesn't ITL say something about being 'armed with claws'. In other words, a Gargoyle who chooses to use a cestus instead of her whopping viscous claws should drop to ST based 'bare hand' damage, plus the cestus bonus. In my head it looks pretty awkward in any case! Similarly with the Kung Fu techniques I assume lie behind UC - they're not techniques that improve claw attacks at all, so again the Character would be down to ST based damage only.
I guess you might be able to get Claw Expert and Mastery though, depending on the GM...