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Originally Posted by zuljita
Considering whipping up a body of air or body of smoke spell that includes no fine manipulators but DF:19 says that an incantation requires "A quick word, a gesture and a second of concentration". Can you make the gesture with no manipulators?
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Note that when you are using it for a body of something intangible, the "Fine" and "Manipulators" parts of that disadvantage no longer fully overlap. You make gestures with the Fine bit, you use physical tools with the Manipulators bit. Intangible forms can't do the later, but the former is more open to interpretation.