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Originally Posted by Skarg
not sure I want to buy a PDF of a slightly different version of GURPS Vehicles just to see another version of abstract dogfight rules.
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It's far more than the dogfighting rules. There's a weapon design system in the second edition, which might be of use to you, plus a ton of rules for fighting in and campaigning with vehicles. I highly recommend it. Most of it is easily ported to 4e.