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Old 06-10-2012, 10:33 PM   #8
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Default Re: Attribute N/A, Useful concept or not?

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Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
The real problem is that (Based on different attribute) is miscosted, because of the existence of an extremely broad category of targets that lack particular attributes. If you eliminate that enhancement, the existence of Will 0 targets isn't a problem because the abilities that default to targeting Will are all mind-affecting and therefore useless against objects (likewise, targeting DX for objects incapable of movement is problematic). Stat N/A is a convenient way of marking something as being an invalid target for (based on a different attribute). I might say something like:

'Based on a different attribute':
  • A power that targets Per cannot affect targets which lack senses.
  • A power that targets DX cannot affect targets which are incapable of physical actions.
  • A power that targets Will cannot affect targets which lack volition.
  • A power that targets IQ cannot affect targets which lack thinking ability.
  • A power that targets ST instead targets HP for targets which are incapable of physical actions.
  • This does not apply to the (resisted by X) limitation.
  • The Cosmic enhancement may be applied to bypass these restrictions.
You touch on a couple of interesting points. Getting rid of the Based on (Different Attribute) enhancer does solve a lot of problems. I don't know that the loss of freedom would be worth eliminating it (not that that was what you were advocating). Maybe, going back to my first post in that parent thread, we could just attach prohibitive clauses to the modifier, similar to the ones you use in your bullet points.

The bullet points themselves remind me of another idea I had brought up, about the game definition of lacking a characteristic. When Kromm said that certain attacks cannot affect targets without a mind, I wondered "What is a mind in game terms?". Is it something other than just having a zero in relevant Attributes like IQ, Will, and Per?
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