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Originally Posted by Asta Kask
I though the coup de grace rules were supposed to fix that?
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Exactly the rule to which I'm referring. It's on PHB page 153-154 and it's worse than I remembered. It's a full round action which automatically hits and deliverers a crit. That's an average of 5 and a max of 8 points of damage with a dagger. Then the victim gets to make a fort save DC 10+damage. If a 20th level fighter has a base +12, fort of 20 for +5, he will absolutely never fail this save. You can't even crit fail a save anymore. So we go back to a wizard trying to cut his throat with a dagger. 200 HP (below average) will take... 42 rounds. That's over four minutes of stabbing a guy in the throat.