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tbeard1999 · 02-24-2018, 09:58 AM

I’m not sure that giving infantry squad 3/4 missiles (even 1) is defensible. Assuming that the illustrations and miniatures are correct, 3/4 missiles are BIG - ~9 feet long if the miniatures are 1/285 scale - and presumably correspondingly heavy. The infantry miniatures are much larger than they’d normally be in 1/285 scale as I recall, for playability reasons. Today, a TOW missile, the heaviest missile that’s (barely) manportable, is less than 4’ long, 6” in diameter and weighs about 56 pounds. Assuming similar density, a 3/4 Ogreverse missile would weigh ~270 pounds. I just don’t see such a system being generally tactically mobile, even assuming powered armor. And since Ogre turns are 4 minutes long, an “attack” in Ogre has to consist of more than one shot (except for possibly Ogre missiles). Modern antitank missile vehicles can fire 1-2 missiles per minute. Assuming Ogreverse missile tanks have a least this rate of fire, that implies up to 8 shots in a 4 minute turn. Halving that to account for terrain, targeting, etc., leaves an average of 4 missiles fired per “attack”. I just don’t think that a “squad” could carry 4 9 foot long missiles weighing 250 lbs each for any length of time.

Therefore - assuming you agree with my assessment above - I’d propose that the heavy weapons squad be analogous to modern heavy weapons teams - they carry heavier anti-infantry weapons, at the cost of mobility and expense.

I’d give them a 2/1 combat rating. Maybe allow a 1 attack strength at 2 hexes. If they move, they can only participate in overrun combat. In overruns, they have an attack strength of 2, not 4.

Infantry portable heavy AT weapons would need to be be smaller than 3/4 missiles to be manportable. I’d think that these missiles would either be 3/2 or 2/3. The first is the tank-busting missile; the second has longer range for lighter targets.

Missile squads would carry one type of missile. Limiting their ammo makes some sense; instead of giving them X shots, I’d have them run out of ammo if they roll a 1 or 2 on attack (the attack is carried out however). I would give them a 2 in overrun combat. A unit that moves cannot use missiles. In overrun combat, the unit has a strength of 2, representing close range, defensive small arms.

That’s how I’d do it, anyhow.

02-24-2018, 09:58 AM	#22
tbeard1999 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tyler, Texas	Re: Heavy Weapons, once again. I’m not sure that giving infantry squad 3/4 missiles (even 1) is defensible. Assuming that the illustrations and miniatures are correct, 3/4 missiles are BIG - ~9 feet long if the miniatures are 1/285 scale - and presumably correspondingly heavy. The infantry miniatures are much larger than they’d normally be in 1/285 scale as I recall, for playability reasons. Today, a TOW missile, the heaviest missile that’s (barely) manportable, is less than 4’ long, 6” in diameter and weighs about 56 pounds. Assuming similar density, a 3/4 Ogreverse missile would weigh ~270 pounds. I just don’t see such a system being generally tactically mobile, even assuming powered armor. And since Ogre turns are 4 minutes long, an “attack” in Ogre has to consist of more than one shot (except for possibly Ogre missiles). Modern antitank missile vehicles can fire 1-2 missiles per minute. Assuming Ogreverse missile tanks have a least this rate of fire, that implies up to 8 shots in a 4 minute turn. Halving that to account for terrain, targeting, etc., leaves an average of 4 missiles fired per “attack”. I just don’t think that a “squad” could carry 4 9 foot long missiles weighing 250 lbs each for any length of time. Therefore - assuming you agree with my assessment above - I’d propose that the heavy weapons squad be analogous to modern heavy weapons teams - they carry heavier anti-infantry weapons, at the cost of mobility and expense. I’d give them a 2/1 combat rating. Maybe allow a 1 attack strength at 2 hexes. If they move, they can only participate in overrun combat. In overruns, they have an attack strength of 2, not 4. Infantry portable heavy AT weapons would need to be be smaller than 3/4 missiles to be manportable. I’d think that these missiles would either be 3/2 or 2/3. The first is the tank-busting missile; the second has longer range for lighter targets. Missile squads would carry one type of missile. Limiting their ammo makes some sense; instead of giving them X shots, I’d have them run out of ammo if they roll a 1 or 2 on attack (the attack is carried out however). I would give them a 2 in overrun combat. A unit that moves cannot use missiles. In overrun combat, the unit has a strength of 2, representing close range, defensive small arms. That’s how I’d do it, anyhow.