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Old 09-24-2017, 04:16 PM   #10
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Default Re: Simplified Template Design Concept

Thanks for the feedback everyone. It's always good to get another set of eyes.

I've posted a revision that takes into account some of the suggestions.

Check it out!

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Originally Posted by Stormcrow View Post
Maybe you could use right-justified tabs on the skill levels to push them to the edge of the column.
I actually did this in the new version, but the relative level and point cost with it. Just having the actual level by itself at the right seemed disconnected. One of the things that I decided I wanted to try and keep was the 4e skill listing format as described in B448. That way, if players want to reference other GURPS works as part of their character creation they're at least exposed to the "official" format.

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Originally Posted by awarnock View Post
I'd keep them. It helps when someone asks for a skill based on something other than the main attribute and it helps with transparency. At least that's my thoughts.
I agree, but I think you're describing the relative level when I was referring to the actual level. I'm using these terms as defined in B448. I'm still torn about showing the actual level. Are they really useful in a template? As soon as the player buys up an attribute they're all going to be off anyway. Although I guess the same could be said for the relative level too.

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Originally Posted by Gollum View Post
I find your intention very good and the result is just ... amazing! That manner of presenting templates clearly shows how GURPS is actually simple and makes want to play that character.
The official manner is useful to save space and for experienced GURPS GMs, of course, but it is absolutely frightening for newcomers.
To quibble a bit, I would remove languages from skills and put them in advantages or create a paragraph just for them - since they don't work like skills.
Thanks. I agree about the languages. This template was a direct translation from Cliffhangers 3e and I didn't think that through more. GURPS has a lot of these edge cases that make a completely standardized presentation a challenging balance between structure and space wasting (when that structure for control checks, for example, isn't needed).

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Originally Posted by tbone View Post
Initial impression: Looks fantastic! The way templates should look. The use of checkboxes, in particular, is smart it's not just a template for picking out stuff to be copied onto a character form; it actually serves as the character form itself. (Great use of gray to keep lesser-used info, like point costs, from distracting. I'd do the same for skill difficulty, too.)
Thanks. I reinforced the checkbox motive by having the fixed skills now use a larger filled bullet. I think this should allow me to get away with removing extra lines that said, "Total of X points from:" to buy me a few more lines.

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Originally Posted by tbone View Post
(I'd also be interested in seeing right-aligned skill levels, as Stormcrow mentioned. Same with costs for everything; having them in a neat vertical line would make it very easy to skim costs to quickly come up with a total 20 pts or whatever. Not sure these would be improvements; just saying maybe.)
I was really torn between aligning on point values vs. actual level. I may still go that way if I drop the actual level (as discussed above) since at the template stage there really is a focus on point arithmetic vs. skill levels.

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Originally Posted by tbone View Post
The potential difficulty I see is space: This template is pretty simple, but still fills a page. Higher-level characters with lots more "stuff" will be hard to fit onto a page, even with less intro text and a smaller picture. (Which isn't all bad; it's an incentive to keep templates fairly simple.)
Yes. In the end, I don't think there's a way for something to be comprehensive and simple. This format probably isn't going to work if you're trying to make a 500+ point character. However, there's a simple solution that would allow it to scale a bit further - use a bigger piece of paper.

Our European friends already have paper that's a bit taller. There's also US legal and ledger sizes that can be printed in normal printers. I feel the 1-pager is psychologically significant for conveying simplicity.

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Originally Posted by lvalero View Post
The image is a "must have". Yes, the new design uses more space but I think it's worth it. Good job.
Absolutely. If I could get more artwork in I would and remove the descriptive text. I'm inspired by the Hollow Earth Expedition sample characters. Granted pre-gens don't have the challenge of listing additional skills and options, but that presentation is stellar and it's all about art. It gives players ideas and then that inspires them (hopefully) to engage with the system beyond the template.
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