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Jareth Valar 03-07-2018 09:35 AM

Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Question: Taking the access to Chi/Cinematic Skills away from TBaM and still requiring Special Training for most things TBaM allows. Would this be a viable advantage for a semi-realistic game (between realistic an cinematic/not quite action movie)? If so, what would it cost 15, 20, 10?

Thanks

Kelly Pedersen 03-07-2018 09:53 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
I lack the martial arts knowledge to judge whether such a trait would be realistic or not. However, for price, I can say that I wouldn't limit it much at all, compared to regular Trained by a Master. GURPS in general doesn't put much weight on "serves as a prerequisite" - since you have to pay points for the things it gives access to anyway, it's not that valuable on the base trait. And the other benefits of Trained By a Master (improved parries and Rapid Strikes, and various other halved penalties for cinematic techniques and various stunts) are all still worth a lot. I'd peg "Doesn't serve as a prerequisite for cinematic skills" as a -20% limitation on Trained By A Master.

Fred Brackin 03-07-2018 10:12 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jareth Valar (Post 2163575)
Question: Taking the access to Chi/Cinematic Skills away from TBaM and still requiring Special Training for most things TBaM allows. Would this be a viable advantage for a semi-realistic game (between realistic an cinematic/not quite action movie)? If so, what would it cost 15, 20, 10?

Thanks

Inability to use the Cinematic Skills covered by TBAM is the Mundane Background Disad and worth -10.

Phantasm 03-07-2018 10:16 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin (Post 2163587)
Inability to use the Cinematic Skills covered by TBAM is the Mundane Background Disad and worth -10.

Because of that, I'd price a "No Access to Cinematic Skills" Accessibility limitation at -10%.

AlexanderHowl 03-07-2018 11:07 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Actually, I think that Trained By a Master without the ability to learn Cinematic Skills or Perks should be -30%.

Gnome 03-07-2018 11:13 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly Pedersen (Post 2163579)
I lack the martial arts knowledge to judge whether such a trait would be realistic or not. However, for price, I can say that I wouldn't limit it much at all, compared to regular Trained by a Master. GURPS in general doesn't put much weight on "serves as a prerequisite" - since you have to pay points for the things it gives access to anyway, it's not that valuable on the base trait. And the other benefits of Trained By a Master (improved parries and Rapid Strikes, and various other halved penalties for cinematic techniques and various stunts) are all still worth a lot. I'd peg "Doesn't serve as a prerequisite for cinematic skills" as a -20% limitation on Trained By A Master.

What about the reverse? How much should an advantage cost that only gives access to chi/cinematic skills, perks and techniques, but doesn't halve penalties for rapid strikes and multiple parries?

Fred Brackin 03-07-2018 11:50 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantasm (Post 2163589)
Because of that, I'd price a "No Access to Cinematic Skills" Accessibility limitation at -10%.

Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

Gnome 03-07-2018 11:59 AM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin (Post 2163615)
Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

In my experience, most PCs take the maximum number of disadvantages, so this would be a reshuffling of points but not a savings.

Anthony 03-07-2018 12:03 PM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin (Post 2163615)
Only a stupid person would buy it at that price. He could just take TBAM at 30 pts and Mundane Background at -10 and use pricing of items in the Basic Set.

No he can't. Or rather, he can, but it renders TBaM completely ineffective; mundane background means that your non-mundane advantages cannot be used. "You can have supernatural advantages, but you can neither use them nor learn any skills that would allow you to use them".

Fred Brackin 03-07-2018 12:10 PM

Re: Quasi-real Tained By a Master
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 2163619)
No he can't. Or rather, he can, but it renders TBaM completely ineffective; mundane background means that your non-mundane advantages cannot be used. "You can have supernatural advantages, but you can neither use them nor learn any skills that would allow you to use them".

Supernatural advantages are denoted by the "lightning bolt" icon. Trained By A Master shows only the icon for "Mental".


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