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Plane 06-11-2019 01:19 AM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
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Originally Posted by CarrionPeacock (Post 2268085)
Parrots attacking people with guns is a funny mental image. By RAW though they don't have enough IQ to use technological skills (which Guns is part of).

B168 mentions penalties to "Other Technological Skills" (non-IQ based ones, a Gunslinger is used as an example)

Going by B22, most wild animals if statted should probably have multiple levels of "Low TL", going by B27 probably all TL 0 (stone age) which would give penalties...

B199 mentions needing to make an IQ roll to take immediate action if the weapon fails but I can't seem to see an IQ requirement for using them, do you recall where that is?

Verjigorm 06-11-2019 02:10 AM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
There's also the MinST requirement and Weight of the gun. A parrot doesn't have more than ST1-2 for the largest of them, and that means they can't pick up and use many guns, and those they can, would be at a significant penalty due to the high MinST requirements, relative to a parrot's strength.

Sorenant 06-11-2019 03:38 AM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
UT has some ST3 beam weapons. Maybe we could arm our parrot army with holdout electrolasers?

vicky_molokh 06-11-2019 03:51 AM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
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Originally Posted by Plane (Post 2268204)
B168 mentions penalties to "Other Technological Skills" (non-IQ based ones, a Gunslinger is used as an example)

Going by B22, most wild animals if statted should probably have multiple levels of "Low TL", going by B27 probably all TL 0 (stone age) which would give penalties...

B199 mentions needing to make an IQ roll to take immediate action if the weapon fails but I can't seem to see an IQ requirement for using them, do you recall where that is?

Having low IQ disqualifies characters from some traits, unfortunately.

Plane 06-11-2019 02:52 PM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
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Originally Posted by vicky_molokh (Post 2268215)
Having low IQ disqualifies characters from some traits, unfortunately.

Okay I found the page that had this: page 15 is where it clarifies "sapience" (IQ6+) is required for languages/technological skills.

B198 "Gun/TL" is out due to the TL (anything with a TL requires IQ6+) but...

B186 "Crossbow" doesn't have a /TL so would that allow parrots to wield a Pistol Crossbow? B276 says it'd only weigh 4.06 loaded...

If B457's "Large Falcon" refers to the Gyrfalcon (up to 2.976 lb) then the Hyacinth Macaw (up to 3.7 lb) could probably also qualify for ST 3. The flightless Kakapo (owl parrot) can weigh up to 9lb and might even qualify for ST 4 like a cat?

Pistol crossbow has a ST guideline of 7 meaning a ST 3 creature would be at -4 to DX to use it... but it's still feasible, right?

As for actually lifting it (I assume you wouldn't need to do that if you were lying on the ground and bracing it, of course) they couldn't do it in 1 second, but since in 2 seconds you can lift 2xBL with one hand, ST4 (BL3.2) could lift 6.4 pounds (go owl parrot!)

ST3 (BL1.8) couldn't (only 3.6 in 2 seconds) without the Lifting skill or using Extra Effort, so they'd probably have to drag a crossbow pistol into position, and adjusting aim using dragging instead of lifting probably takes longer, similar to firing a cannon.

Verjigorm 06-11-2019 07:45 PM

Re: [Basic] Frustrated by Tentacles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Plane (Post 2268327)
Okay I found the page that had this: page 15 is where it clarifies "sapience" (IQ6+) is required for languages/technological skills.

B198 "Gun/TL" is out due to the TL (anything with a TL requires IQ6+) but...

B186 "Crossbow" doesn't have a /TL so would that allow parrots to wield a Pistol Crossbow? B276 says it'd only weigh 4.06 loaded...

If B457's "Large Falcon" refers to the Gyrfalcon (up to 2.976 lb) then the Hyacinth Macaw (up to 3.7 lb) could probably also qualify for ST 3. The flightless Kakapo (owl parrot) can weigh up to 9lb and might even qualify for ST 4 like a cat?

Pistol crossbow has a ST guideline of 7 meaning a ST 3 creature would be at -4 to DX to use it... but it's still feasible, right?

As for actually lifting it (I assume you wouldn't need to do that if you were lying on the ground and bracing it, of course) they couldn't do it in 1 second, but since in 2 seconds you can lift 2xBL with one hand, ST4 (BL3.2) could lift 6.4 pounds (go owl parrot!)

ST3 (BL1.8) couldn't (only 3.6 in 2 seconds) without the Lifting skill or using Extra Effort, so they'd probably have to drag a crossbow pistol into position, and adjusting aim using dragging instead of lifting probably takes longer, similar to firing a cannon.

Ah yes, the dreaded Aerial Artillery of Uraguay.


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