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Steve Jackson 07-10-2018 04:26 PM

New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Unless I see a good argument, I think I should delete these as mostly bogus and rarely used, devote the space to new and better Stuff, and let attempts to recruit the GM's characters be handled by the GM with a free hand. Any comments?

Kirk 07-10-2018 04:40 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Only to say that we have used them, of course mostly in campaigns and less in one-offs.

Designing a character that can develop a following can work quite well, we have had very interesting game sessions with Players who run characters who have, effectively, body guards that get things done and fight for them when necessary, ultimately resulting in the start of a small fiefdom of sorts, maybe a preliminary Thorz type character. :) It allows for the leader-oriented in the group to leverage others' talents to the benefit of the party.

The more difficult aspect of these talents is that it requires more forethought, work, and interaction to develop this type of character, and some people just want to hack and slash.

That said, if space is a premium and something has to go, it might be on my list, just to preserve other more often used talents. But if not, we, at least, use these talents to make for both interesting PCs *and*, especially, NPCs! :)

Spend one minute to remember the Riddle of Steel and consider... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2BjhSEnNI

tbeard1999 07-10-2018 04:41 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson (Post 2190651)
Unless I see a good argument, I think I should delete these as mostly bogus and rarely used, devote the space to new and better Stuff, and let attempts to recruit the GM's characters be handled by the GM with a free hand. Any comments?

I was never a fan of those talents and won't miss them. It never really fit my campaign conception for PCs to have a menagerie of monsters swarming around them. The same with charmed henchmen.

Rick_Smith 07-10-2018 04:42 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers - DELETE.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson (Post 2190651)
Unless I see a good argument, I think I should delete these as mostly bogus and rarely used, devote the space to new and better Stuff, and let attempts to recruit the GM's characters be handled by the GM with a free hand. Any comments?

I agree. Warm regards, Rick.

JLV 07-10-2018 04:53 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson (Post 2190651)
Unless I see a good argument, I think I should delete these as mostly bogus and rarely used, devote the space to new and better Stuff, and let attempts to recruit the GM's characters be handled by the GM with a free hand. Any comments?

Personally, I think this is a good call.

Skarg 07-10-2018 05:17 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Jackson (Post 2190651)
Unless I see a good argument, I think I should delete these as mostly bogus and rarely used, devote the space to new and better Stuff, and let attempts to recruit the GM's characters be handled by the GM with a free hand. Any comments?

Yep (I already posted my detailed issues with their current versions).

I think a short paragraph from you elsewhere, suggesting how a GM might let players try to convince appropriate NPCs to join them, and that they can let a player who does a good job playing this can could be allowed to control those extra characters (but with the GM deciding when/if this stops working and how*) could be great.

(* e.g. too much risk/cost, too many followers, bickering between followers, favoritism, moral objections, followers who are actually out for themselves, etc.)

John Brinegar 07-10-2018 05:19 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
I think it's fine if they go, though they could perhaps reappear in a supplement.

Chris Rice 07-10-2018 05:25 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
They never entirely made sense to me and we never used them so I’m fine with them going. I started a previous thread on this topic to see if anyone did use them but there wasn’t much input so I doubt they’ll be missed.

Jim Kane 07-10-2018 05:40 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Brinegar (Post 2190686)
I think it's fine if they go, though they could perhaps reappear in a supplement.

I think John B has the best strategic solution here.

If you need the space, imho, these are two good talents to reclaim the remnant space from; and then possibly bringing them back in a later supplement where the acquisition and retention of loyal minions and monsters - where the *how* to properly apply these specific talents can be illustrated through an adventure - as part of a larger plot. This could be a great way to re-introduce them, while teaching their proper application through play.

Furthermore, I would say that if an engaging adventure could not be written around the use of these talents, *that* alone would be the best test of surety in proving that these two talents are indeed deadwood.

I think John had a great suggestion, while satisfying your immediate goal.

JK

ecz 07-10-2018 06:45 PM

Re: New Followers / Monster Followers
 
never seen a PC using these talents. But they are useful for certain NPC.

Anyway I do not see how the game improves with the elimination of two talents. At worst they are left unused in the manual, but they do not hurt and do not disturb.


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