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RyanW 04-19-2019 09:10 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
How about a fantasy world where humans are in the process of leaving the hidebound fantasy races behind? Dwarven metalcraft is exquisite, but can't compete with the work of the best human steel makers. Elven spellsong is as beautiful as ever, but the human arcanists have reduced the whole process of spellcasting down to its essentials and bypassed the ancient arts. Human craft is just dumb, dirty, and effective.

Flyndaran 04-20-2019 09:08 AM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
Anthropocentric "racial" superiority isn't bending the stereotype. It is the stereotype. Even when it makes no sense, humans will often defeat or out compete objectively superior species.

RyanW 04-21-2019 02:32 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 2257179)
Anthropocentric "racial" superiority isn't bending the stereotype. It is the stereotype. Even when it makes no sense, humans will often defeat or out compete objectively superior species.

It seems to me that it's usually a case of being generalists, so we can beat everybody at something.

Flyndaran 04-22-2019 10:29 AM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
Most multi-species fiction I've seen, humans win, because their enemy holds the idiot ball.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotBall.
Or because the enemy has some absurd over the top weakness like robots that blow up when asked an unanswerable question, aliens that explode when touched with water, or fall to the horribly overused Trojan horse plot.

jason taylor 04-22-2019 05:17 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
A robot can have a weakness built into it as a fail-safe of course.

WaterAndWindSpirit 04-22-2020 05:35 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
The military monster/witch hunter:

He has nothing against witches/werewolves/vampires/etc. But, just like aircrafts can easily show up on the OpFor and thus modern armies train soldiers in the use of surface-to-air missiles like the Stinger, that guy is just a soldier specializing in neutralizing OpFor who just happen to be witches/werewolves/vampires/etc, and in fact "hunter" is the military designation for specialists trained to counter whatever they're a hunter of, so you have "Tank Hunters", "Aircraft Hunters", "Werewolf Hunters", "Vampire Hunters", "Witch Hunters"... And in fact, many Hunters of the paranormal actually belong to that category without cognitive dissonance.

David Johnston2 04-23-2020 04:32 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
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Originally Posted by Flyndaran (Post 2257179)
Anthropocentric "racial" superiority isn't bending the stereotype. It is the stereotype. Even when it makes no sense, humans will often defeat or out compete objectively superior species.

Yes. A real counter stereotype might be a fantasy world where humans are on the road to extinction and looking for a portal to some other world with less competition.

jason taylor 04-23-2020 04:46 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
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Originally Posted by David Johnston2 (Post 2320657)
Yes. A real counter stereotype might be a fantasy world where humans are on the road to extinction and looking for a portal to some other world with less competition.

Oh you mean Battlestar Gallactica?

Or if you want fantasy proper, the migration of the Three Tribes of the Edain.

David Johnston2 04-24-2020 12:45 PM

Re: bending stereotypes
 
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Originally Posted by jason taylor (Post 2320660)
Oh you mean Battlestar Gallactica?

Except that genocidal robots are perfectly stereotypical. Elves squeezing out an uncompetitive humanity are not.


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