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warhorse11h 03-19-2019 05:27 PM

Am I reading this wrong
 
ITL LE says, on pg 123, "A person who has the Master Armourer talent can make a sword, polearm, hammer, mace, or ax (but no other weapon) so well that it does extra damage, or effectively increases its userís DX, or both. A dagger may do extra damage, but not increase DX. This is not magic Ė just very good craftsmanship. A weapon could have bonuses both for being well-made and for magic, if it was made carefully and then enchanted. Good workmanship can give a weapon such good balance that its user gets +1 DX (never more than +1). A cutting weapon can also be made of such good metal that it does either 1 or 2 extra hits of damage."

It seems to say, to me at least, that a hammer or mace can be made so well that it can have a bonus for DX and Damage, but the last sentence says that cutting weapons are the only ones that can get a damage bonus. A hammer or mace do not seem to fit. Which one is it?

hcobb 03-19-2019 06:11 PM

Re: Am I reading this wrong
 
I've read it as:

Dagger: +damage only
Hammer/Mace: +DX only
Cutting weapons: Both

Javelins: ?

Jeff Lord 03-19-2019 06:13 PM

Re: Am I reading this wrong
 
"...does extra damage, or effectively increases its userís DX, or both."

Emphasis mine.

I think that the wording implies a dependency on the item being crafted. It could have been clearer, but I read it as saying that a hammer or mace can only ever be crafted to +1 DX.

Anaraxes 03-19-2019 06:14 PM

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Another interpretation that fits is that hammers, etc, can get a +1 to damage (the first clause of the first sentence is true; +1 is "extra damage"), but not +2 (so the last sentence is also true -- only cutting weapons can get to +2, but cutting weapons can also be made as +1).

Jeff Lord 03-19-2019 06:18 PM

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"A cutting weapon can also be made of such good metal that it does either 1 or 2 extra hits of damage."

This sentence strongly implies that only cutting weapons can receive a bonus to damage. A hammer or mace is not a cutting weapon.

I wouldn't give javelins a bonus to damage as they are strictly piercing and not cutting weapons. YMMV.

Shostak 03-19-2019 07:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anaraxes (Post 2249585)
Another interpretation that fits is that hammers, etc, can get a +1 to damage (the first clause of the first sentence is true; +1 is "extra damage"), but not +2 (so the last sentence is also true -- only cutting weapons can get to +2, but cutting weapons can also be made as +1).

Exactly so.

larsdangly 03-19-2019 09:10 PM

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The passage is repetitive and confusing, but I would say the opening sentence states the general case and the bit about the dagger gives the one exception, and you should ignore the last passage (which reads like something that was pasted in from a different place or retained from an earlier edition).

RVA_Grandpa 03-19-2019 09:52 PM

Re: Am I reading this wrong
 
Here is my take on that passage.

Quote:

"A person who has the Master Armourer talent can make a sword, polearm, hammer, mace, or ax (but no other weapon) so well that it does extra damage, or effectively increases its user’s DX, or both.
Polearm, hammer, mace, ax: +1 DX and/or +1 damage.

Quote:

A dagger may do extra damage, but not increase DX. This is not magic – just very good craftsmanship.
Dagger: +1 damage only.

Quote:

A weapon could have bonuses both for being well-made and for magic, if it was made carefully and then enchanted.
Weapons can gain additional enhancements through enchantments.

Quote:

Good workmanship can give a weapon such good balance that its user gets +1 DX (never more than +1). A cutting weapon can also be made of such good metal that it does either 1 or 2 extra hits of damage."
Swords: +1 DX and /or up to +2 damage.

Note: "A cutting weapon... made of such good metal" also implies to me that axes, halberds, and pike axes could be made with +2 damage enhancement.

Shadekeep 03-20-2019 07:50 AM

Re: Am I reading this wrong
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anaraxes (Post 2249585)
Another interpretation that fits is that hammers, etc, can get a +1 to damage (the first clause of the first sentence is true; +1 is "extra damage"), but not +2 (so the last sentence is also true -- only cutting weapons can get to +2, but cutting weapons can also be made as +1).

I'd go with this interpretation as well. Makes sense that edged weapons can get a further point of damage, if made to be especially keen or serrated or such.

hcobb 03-20-2019 08:11 AM

Re: Am I reading this wrong
 
So daggers, javelins and maces get sharp spikes for +1 damage while halberds, axes, and swords get sharp edged for +2 damage?


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