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Mcoorlim 03-28-2018 12:58 PM

Where can my PC learn...
 
So I'd like my character to learn a few skills in a first-world contemporary setting, but I'm not sure what opportunities there are for real world study to justify a studied improvement. Any suggestions are welcome.

Skills desired:
Fast-talk Maybe a pick up artist class? Where can the PC learn to manipulate people?

Intimidation: Self-defense classes that focus on assertiveness?

Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?

Apollonian 03-28-2018 01:09 PM

Re: Where can my PC learn...
 
Those as a group sound like either School of Hard Knocks or tradecraft skills. If I were the GM, I'd have your character use Streetwise to secure a criminal (or possibly law enforcement) mentor, or arrange things so that you get a mentor/training from intelligence services types. Alternately, for the last three, you might have your character connect with some Urban Explorer types. (That might also help with Fast Talk.)

Refplace 03-28-2018 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Skills desired:
Fast-talk Maybe a pick up artist class? Where can the PC learn to manipulate people?

Intimidation: Self-defense classes that focus on assertiveness?

Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?

All of these would be available to spies and some Intelligence Agencies.
Fast Talk might be available through sales people.
Intimidation some specialized psychology classes, criminals and police. I would also let some roleplaying using your default and a decent length of off screen time self train.

The breaking and entering skills, apprenticeship or pay a good criminal specialist, police and some security training. Stealth is the easiest to find a teacher though.

Anthony 03-28-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Fast-talk Maybe a pick up artist class? Where can the PC learn to manipulate people?

A lot of people claim to teach methods of persuasion. The problem is that most of them are actually trying to fast-talk money out of your wallet; a secondary problem is that common uses for the fast talk skill are illegal. This is a skill that tends to be learned by observation and practice, rather than taught, though it certainly can be taught if you can find a trustworthy teacher.
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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Intimidation: Self-defense classes that focus on assertiveness?

Another skill that tends to be self-taught; again, has a problem that getting your way through threats is of dubious legality.
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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?

Stealth can be learned from a number of places (for routine legitimate uses, try hunting). The other two are going to be difficult to learn legitimately (locksmiths and security companies certainly teach those skills -- but they make pretty serious efforts to make sure they aren't teaching wannabe criminals).

Icelander 03-28-2018 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Fast-talk Maybe a pick up artist class? Where can the PC learn to manipulate people?

That's a good suggestion. Others might be various seminars on salesmanship. If you could get the author of a self-help book promising riches and success, the teacher of a seminar on making friends and influencing people or someone high up in a pyramid selling scheme to teach you their real job skills, you'd probably learn Fast-Talk.

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Intimidation: Self-defense classes that focus on assertiveness?

Intimidation is also a large part of what cops do to take control of a situation and force compliance from suspects on scene. The 'Freeze! Police!' is an Intimidation skill check and advanced courses on arrest techniques are focused just as much on Intimidation and Diplomacy as they are on Judo, Wrestling and Handcuffing.

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?

You can learn Lockpicking along with Professional Skill (Locksmith). You might be able to justify a small amount of Traps skill as well, as well as learn Electronic Operations (Security), by working for a security company.

Otherwise, Traps is generally learned in the military at TL8. It's often taught to special operators, along with Stealth, obviously.

tanksoldier 03-28-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Fast-talk Maybe a pick up artist class? Where can the PC learn to manipulate people?

Many sales seminars, how to flip real estate... all that sort of thing.... but not for what they are supposed to be teaching. Instead watch the “ metagame” and how the presenter fast talks the audience into buying what he’s selling.

Also look for books on the law enforcement skill of “verbal judo”, there are actual classes but you generally have to be in LE, and a book called “ Games Criminals Play” which shows how criminals play the art of persuasion especially while incarcerated.

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Intimidation: Self-defense classes that focus on assertiveness?
Mostly thru experience but might gain a point or two just from a good combatives class. Would certainly gain points in Will to resist intimidation.

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, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?
Locksmithing classes or apprenticeships, employment with a security system installer. Not going to break into Ft Knox with it but give you an idea of most common security systems, thei weaknesses and how to circumvent. Employment with a high end security company would give you insight into larger, more complex systems like Nakatomi Plaza....

ETA: Probably more Electronics Operation/ Repair (Security) but at high TL I think that’s essentially used in place of the Traps skill. For me Traps would be more tripwire attached to a flare or grenade than something you’d see as part of a modern security system.

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Another option for some of these would be to attend a police academy. Many states allow “ pay to stay” academies where students pay for the academy themselves in hopes it makes them more attractive to law enforcement agencies, having already graduated and become certified... an expense a potential employer doesn’t have to foot now.

My academy class was mostly made up of self sponsored cadets, and there was a volunteer who helped with scenarios and things who had graduated several classes before with no intention of ever becoming a cop. He just wanted to go to a police academy.

If you’re going to be a good guy subsequent employment as a reserve officer or deputy would allow you to maintain and advance your skills for a fairly minor time commitment. Law, intimidation, diplomacy, fast talk, escape, tactics, brawling, wrestling, stealth, streetwise, driving... all justifiable skills from an academy and subsequent employment.

Another option is reserve or guard military service. A combat engineer who graduated from sapper school ( engineer version of ranger school, sorta) would have fair skill in explosives, traps, eod, stealth, tactics and leadership.... and in game terms a fairly minimal time commitment.

A reserve MP would learn similar skills to a cop but the law would be focused on military regulations and the UCMJ.

evileeyore 03-28-2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcoorlim (Post 2168368)
Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (Alarms): Basically, where can the PC go to learn to break into places?

Youtube.

Not even joking, though this is the equivalent of learning via 'book' at self-taught rates. Of course, if you find a youtuber who shows how to do things in your area and can convince them to met and teach you personally...

Alternately get in touch with the Prepper and Self-Reliance/Hunter communities, these are things many of them know.

Fred Brackin 03-28-2018 03:00 PM

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Mostly thru experience but might gain a point or two just from a good combatives class. Would certainly gain points in Will to resist intimidation.

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Mire likely Fearlessness. Will costs twice as much as Fearlessness and is much broader.

tanksoldier 03-28-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Brackin (Post 2168404)
Mire likely Fearlessness. Will costs twice as much as Fearlessness and is much broader.

...but physical competency can increase your self confidence across the board.

I could see it either way.

whswhs 03-28-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tanksoldier (Post 2168410)
...but physical competency can increase your self confidence across the board.

The thing is that raising Will will help you resist skills that don't depend so much on self-confidence: Fast-Talk, Diplomacy, Sex Appeal, perhaps some forms of Savoir-Faire. For some of them, being self-confidence might even make you more susceptible. Will isn't just forcefulness; it's also having a clear understanding of your values and goals.

Will is also relevant to skills such as Meditation. I'm not sure that self-confidence based on physical competency helps with meditation.


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